How to protect constitutional democracy when the attacks come from governments in power? In this episode of the DEMOS podcast, Marco Antonio Simonelli, a DEMOS researcher from University of Barcelona, speaks about Hungary and Poland’s threats to veto both the EU budget and the COVID-19 recovery fund, and how this is linked to constitutional populism. The populist leaders of both countries have changed constitutions, targeted minority groups, and undermined judicial independence over the past years. As a result, what is left is a rule of law problem. Follow the conversation to learn more about how populism has an impact on democracy, and what the European Union could do to protect the rule of law.